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No such thing as global warming. In fact, NASA meteorologists predict a 30 year 'mini ice-age' coming soon, and several long, harsh winters. This has nothing to do with greenhouse gasses or anything manmade, it is a natural cycle having to do with solar intensity patterns and how they affect 'el nino' and 'la nina' and deep oceanic currents.
I still have never, to this day, been presented with conclusive, science-based evidence that global warming is caused by humans or even related or influenced by humans... Now, even the existence of global warming is in jeapordy of becoming proven 100% WRONG... Not even partially right, not even 'a close projection, the outcome being slighly off from what we originally thought'
No. Leftist Whackos predicted global warming. The earth is entering a cooling stage. They could not be farther from the truth, they could not possibly be MORE wrong. if they were any further wrong, they'd be swinging back closer to right. Read it and weep. Or read it and laugh, depending on what banner you've been under the past ten years.
No such thing as global warming. In fact, NASA meteorologists predict a 30 year 'mini ice-age' coming soon, and several long, harsh winters. This has nothing to do with greenhouse gasses or anything manmade, it is a natural cycle having to do with solar intensity patterns and how they affect 'el nino' and 'la nina' and deep oceanic currents.
I still have never, to this day, been presented with conclusive, science-based evidence that global warming is caused by humans or even related or influenced by humans... Now, even the existence of global warming is in jeapordy of becoming proven 100% WRONG... Not even partially right, not even 'a close projection, the outcome being slighly off from what we originally thought'
No. Leftist Whackos predicted global warming. The earth is entering a cooling stage. They could not be farther from the truth, they could not possibly be MORE wrong. if they were any further wrong, they'd be swinging back closer to right. Read it and weep. Or read it and laugh, depending on what banner you've been under the past ten years.
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:35 AMI'm with ya....(and new here) its all about trends. I have a nine year old boy who see's through all the "global warming" he has checked -using his schools computers- the low and high record temp in our area and is blown away and so proud to come home and tell me..the record high was 92 for today in 1947 and the low was 13 in 1904. hmmmm.. And what about all thoes ice core's they were so proud of...they talked of melting and refreezing, high levels of carbon in some sections and alot of other wonderful things that nature produces -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:27 PMSo you're saying that you got the low down on global warming from a 9 year old? Set down the mouse and step away from the keyboard :)
The thing about the whole global warming question is it's a lot like playing Russian roulette. Sure, you have a 5 to 1 chance of not blowing your brains out, better odds than any casino in the world, but you'd be nuts to play the game.
Even if global warming is a farce, it is still a good excuse to get people to change their evil ways. There is no denying that we pollute the shit out of this planet. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:42 PMDangerously close to 'the end always justifies the means' type of mentality, Adam.
I agree, polluting the earth is bad. I, for myself, am actually a very conscientious person when it comes to the environment. I am a no-trace camper, I clean up trash out at the shooting range, for hell's sake i take the barbs off my fishing hooks, just so it doesn't damage the fish when I 'catch and release'.
It does annoy me that people throw their beer cans into the rivers and create and stuff landfills by the millions of metric tons per day. But I think there are enough laws and regulations out there, each man compelling his fellows to act as he does, to value what he values, to think like he thinks, to abhore what he dislikes.
Oh yea. and I also DENY that we pollute the shit out of the planet. I think there is still plenty of shit in the planet, there are natural cycles that are ever in motion, ever correcting our impact. Every lighthing strike creates many tens of thousands of cubic meters of ozone. The earth is rife with bacteria that are busily breaking down the diapers you throw away. The sun beats down on all our plastics, the very air is taking apart the door panels of our cars, one molecule at a time.
We might be outpacing the machines of entropy and natural balance for the time being, but eventually, inevitably, those wheels have never stopped, and will never stop, but we Humans, will someday.
Remember, all that stuff coming out of your SUV came from the earth. It existed here before you, it will exist here after you, it has a natural place in the world and no matter what chemical form it is converted to, there are inverse natural processes that will restore it to stability, just like everything else.
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:12 AMNotice, when I posted that comment, I hadn't read the other thread. So, somewhat of my statement of denial I will gladly retract for the time being. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:01 PMAlthough my statement was indeed Machevelian, I do believe that global warming really is like playing Russian roulette. If we keep up the way we are, either we ruin the environment or turn the world into Soilent Green.
Global warming is but one of the pitfalls that awaits us on this path. It's kinda like smoking. Sure, not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Too bad God invented heart disease, emphasema, melanoma, non-hodgkins lymphoma, and a few dozen other terminal illnesses.
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 10:02 AMI tend to think that global warming is not much of a threat to us personally, but our children and grand children will be paying that price.
We do have plenty of other things that are and will affect us though, such as contaminated ground and surface fresh water. the killing of the soil through mono cropping and artificial fertilizer, Peak oil and the cost of feeding our oil habit, destruction of the small farm, continued offshoring of good manufacturing and service jobs, In the west, conversion of arable and farmed land into yet more McMansions, Burning the rain forest, What to do with nuclear waste, ETC...
The solution is to keep talking and work towards a sustainable goal. We can all make little changes that help a little. If each of us dose something small, it adds up. For instance: Solar water heaters. I installed one on my house (1200.00 for the unit and 20 year warranty) and immediately saw a 30% drop in my gas bill. I suspect that it wont be so much when my daughter goes away to college this summer, but for the last 2 years I have recouped almost half the cost in my gas bill, and that power I would have used was freed up for other uses elsewhere. Just think if it was the standard in new construction here in the southwest?
Now I am looking at grey water reclamation for the trees. I already water them from my scrapwood fired Jacuzzi, but if I were to run the wash water through a sand filter and into the garden, I could save a bunch of fresh water over the summer.
Think about the little things you can do as a consumer, make changes where it's cost effective, sustainable, and not too difficult, and it will be a positive change for all of us. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 12:48 PMCheck out BRAC systems in Canada for a pretty neat grey water system -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:10 AMHere in Austin, TX the city gives away rain water collection systems to anyone who will install them on their house..they take the water from the gutters and goes to a 50 gallon barrel to be used to water plants and such. Pretty good idea. I'd like to have a 5000 gallon cistern on the side of my house..with a gravity powered water wheel on the bottom of it powering something... maybe a self-heated horse trough so I don't have to break the ice for the horses to drink. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:49 AM"maybe a self-heated horse trough so I don't have to break the ice for the horses to drink."
SISSY!!!!!!!!!
Heh. I jest. My last barn had AUTOMATIC waterers. Freakin' glorious. Virtually eliminated the time-eating chore.
'Twas the concrete that was heated. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:50 AMYaY! YaY! The thread's drifting to horses!!! -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:02 AMI don't have any horses, but the rodeo ground is less than a mile away... -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 12:16 PMMmmmmmmmm.....rodeo..... -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 8:36 PMThere was a book titled "All hell needs is a little water" The title describes Az pretty well.
Funny what you said about the cistern. The only time I have ever gotten sick from treated water was from our cistern when we lived just outside of Mexico city. I never treat water when I camp if it is flowing. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 5:49 AMBad dawg is right about the little things that help. Recently in the news here in MO the small town of Rocheport is the first town in the US to be completely wind powered. They have frozen the citizens electric bills at the current rate for the next 20 years and are actually selling electricity back to the grid.
A friend of mine has an artesion well, he plumbed the run-off to all his pastures for his horses. He does'nt ever have to worry about frozen horse troughs or if his animals have enough water. I tried to talk him into a low head hydro-electric system, he would go for it. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 9:25 AMI'd love to see a little global warming right about now. It's the end of May and I'm freezing my ass off. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:16 AMWeather in southern California is real odd this year too. It's cloudy and about 60 right now, On Saturday, Sunday and Monday it was over 100... Broke the record 3 days in a row, and the previous record was 86...
Not good for my crops and the chickens were panting in the shade...
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 4:22 PMHI NIKOLAS!!!!
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 6:17 PM" I never treat water when I camp if it is flowing. "
I've seen too many trickles that flow from a puddle of deer piss to try that trick. But I bet you have a strong stomach now!
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 12:08 PMI've busted up ice when it was so cold that the water froze to the hammer before I got back to the tack room. I'd love to have heated trough's. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 2:24 PMYou don't have stock tank Heaters? MFA sells them for about $35. Of course you have to run electric down to the pasture. I pull all my horses onto one pasture for the winter, so I only have to feed hay in one place. Right now there is so much grass that they are all fat and sassy.
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 6:47 PMYou could break the ice with a hammer?
Back here in Utah I had to work through it with an axe. We finally got a heater for the cow cup. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 7:00 PMSledge hammer, you have to keep it busted twice a day. I ran an electric line down to my winter holding pasture and put in a submersible stock tank heater. Got a thermostat that turns it on at 32 degrees and off at 35 degrees -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 7:57 PMIn AZ you have to make sure to proovide a lot of shade. After riding for a few hours you can't just unsaddle the horse. You loosen the saddle and make them stand at the hitching rail for a little bit or they get hot spots.
This weather just got wierd. It was 100 degrees, the pool was warming up to 80, then all of a sudden it got really cold, we even had snow up at Mt Lemmon. We're ten days from June and freezing our butts off. Wierd. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 8:39 AMYou should do that for any horse anywhere, not just in AZ.
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 12:00 PMWe got that funny weather too, Adam... It's been in the nineties for a couple of weeks, now I'm looking at the snowline from recent storms, about five hundred feet higher elevation than utah valley. Cold, windy, rainy...what the hell?
I'd rather be too cold than too hot. I really don't mind. but it really is a freak weather pattern this spring. -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 1:27 PMHavent you guy's heard, global warming is taking a break for the next 10 or 12 year's and the earth is supposed to cool down. Then global warming is coming back with a vengance. Some scientist are talking about a ice age again. What the hell? Are we gonna burn or freeze? And of course the global warming activist have come up with reason's for the earth cooling down but make no mistake, global warming is still going to kill us. ha ha -
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Re: Because I like beating dead horses
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 3:30 PMI guess it's a lot of work trying to warm up the planet... So the earth is taking a breather for a little while, getting ready for the next big run. The earth needs our help! Fire up the SUV's and order more hairspray!!!
Did you know:
--- There are at least eight hundred things in the 'natural' world that can cause cancer.
--- Millions of people each year die from 'natural' causes
--- While many dangerous predators, such as tigers, are now safely and thankfully well on their way to extinction, there are still many natural threats out there that exist in large numbers: Sharks. Asians. Termites.
Join the fight. Burn down your trees. Put rat poison in your bird feeders. Use motor oil to fertilize your lawn.
Help us stop nature.... Before it's too late.
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Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 3:46 PMWhat you're ignoring is that the melting of the polar caps, which is observable, is creating a change in the North Atlantic stream--which carries weather, and changes in the vegetation and climate of the poles, that in turn will bring down the ice and cold from a higher layer of the stratosphere that will result in the ice age of which you speak. It is a cycle. I'm not going to pretend to have the science behind the warming phase being effected by human activity, but maybe you could trace some information links through Union of Concerned Scientists, www.ucsusa.org/
NASA is a huge site, and I have found links that explain this but it was long enough ago that I don't have them to hand.
Other things to be concerned about: The extraction of resources that cannot be regenerated for more generations than we can count. -
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Re: Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 4:32 PMthe ice shelfs around southern Chile are growing....strange i never hear the 'ice scientists' talk about those ones.
Here's an interesting article:
www.space.com/scienceastr..._020822.html
Apparently, even though one particular (and very well-publicized) shelf of ice in antartica is shrinking, the overall ammount of ice down there is actually greater today than it was twenty years ago..... Hmm.....
And let's not forget that everyone in Greenland is trying to figure out what 'global warming' has to do with more and more ice forming at the edges of their continent than before.
But yes.... It does appear that there is documented recession of the nothern polar ice cap in several regions. I won't argue with fact there....
However, I WILL argue that most of the data that people gather about 'global warming' comes from VERY skewed politically aimed propaganda, and very rarely includes all, or most, or half, or even a respectable portion of the overall global facts. -
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Re: Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:37 AMI read the article you posted, and it is interesting. Here is a quote from it.
"You can see with this dataset that what is happening in the Antarctic is not what would be expected from a straightforward global warming scenario, but a much more complicated set of events," Parkinson said.
Following some of the space.com links next to the article provide glimpses of that complexity. To bad politics gets into it, we could all be waiting for the last word when--ta dah!--its spoken!! I have a better idea. I have no bragging rights because I haven't done these things myself, but I'm beginning to see what I/we should be doing. Planting gardens together with our neighbors, learning what grows well locally, learning about our water sources, creating water catchment systems, learning about soil improvement and doing little applications on whatever size piece of ground we have access to, apologizing to the entire countries and cultures whose land, food, and livelihoods we have co-opted and diverted to our own use, and giving it back depleted as it is. Then we have an opportunity to help them recreate something locally sustainable that will feed them again and give them clean water.
The first step is the hardest. What will I do to start? I'm renting a room in a house. I put a few strawberries and tomatoes in the ground outside my door. I pay attention and spread the word, but so far I'm mostly all talk. -
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Re: Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:08 AMAre you in the backyard garden survivalist tribe? The have a lot of good tip's and techniques to small gardening. You can grow tomatos in pot's, taking them with you if you need to go. And there's also a good thread about growing a butt load of potato's in a barrel. -
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Re: Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:12 AMMaybe your the same Kate that posted the potato barrel thread? Somebody named Kate did. -
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Re: Quibbling while Rome burns--or freezes, take your pick
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 11:07 AMHey. Thank you for the reminder--I've been out of here for a while and haven't checked in at Backyard Gardens yet. I'll do it. Nope not the potato barrel Kate.
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