Natural barriers

topic posted Thu, March 6, 2008 - 10:12 AM by  Survival_Mama
After perusing the marauding thread, it got me thinking about how to use landscaping and terrain as part of protecting your home. How building on a hill or in a valley changes very much how you'd build and protect your home.

When I had a suburban backyard a few years back, the neighborhood thugs thought that it would make a nice walking path to get from one block to the next, so I cultivated nettles, thistles, barberry, caneberries, and all manner of unpleasant vegetation along the fencelines. Between that and the dog and the random covered holes that I dug along where they were walking, they decided to go elsewhere.

So, natural barriers? Plants and terrain as part of your home protection system? Thoughts?
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Survival_Mama
Portland
  • Re: Natural barriers

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 10:21 AM
    I love berry bushes.... Nature's barbed wire. Blackberries are my favorite. I don't know a sane person who would try to cross a blackberry hedge, all full of those big nasty spiders, and more thorns than you can trive a truck through.

    Plus, good food. Yes, you have to compete with local wildlife for the berries. On the other hand, it encourages local wildlife in your area for you to eat in hard times, or just to enjoy having around.
  • Re: Natural barriers

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 12:40 PM
    Fortunately all the plants in AZ "are trying to kill you" as my bf puts it. ;) except for those neutered cactus with no spines, which always make me sad. Chollas are known to be good deterrents from window or roof access. They also make good fences either as whole bushes or cut down and used as branches. Many of the cactus take a long time to grow to a large size though, so some purchasing or pilfering would be needed.

    we've talked about locating either on a hilltop/mountain to offer a good view and low risk of flooding, or being backed up against something so there's only 1-way in. Such as using some of the passes or terrain to shield, or some of the old adobe houses that are actually set into the hillside. Provided you have a good vantage point, arranging your housing so you only have 1 point of access and you can see who is coming can provide a lot of protection.

    Those things seem like a pretty inexpensive, low maintenance way to offer protection. or at least significant deterrent.

    personally I'm a fan of large trenches filled with nasty prickly things, or filled with laser sharks. coz drawbridges are super cool. ;) but seriously, I figure a trench is doable if mountain or hill top coverage isn't available. I think they even did that in an old Australian survivor/hunted movie.
  • Re: Natural barriers

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 2:47 PM
    There is a reason osage orange trees are also called Hedge. They grow well in any American climate but desert and the trunks and branches are thorny. Another name for osage orange is bois d'arc, mean bow wood, it makes some of the best shooting selfbows possible. several of those planted side by side were used to hold in cattle before barbed wire was invented. If you ever saw a 100 year old hedge made of osage you could understand why.
    All the drupe bushes work too, blackberry, rapsberry etc. You can also transplant poison oak and poison ivy using rubber gloves and great care to the perifery of your property where you rarely walk. Someone might cross a patch of that once but never again once they learned what happened if they did.
    • Re: Natural barriers

      Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:05 PM
      WHY HASN'T ANYONE MENTIONED A HOBBIT HOLE?

      Come on...think about it. forest fires, forced entry, nuclear fallout, goblins and orcs.... It's like a bunker, but full of cakes and fine furniture and cozy fireplaces and things.

      You might laugh, but I've seriously considered making one on some retreat property, instead of a cabin. What a cozy little place to go vacationing, and a safe place to hunker down if you had to. Remember, the earth around it also regulates temperature for you. Summer and winter.
      • Re: Natural barriers

        Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:19 PM
        plus, look how well that turned out for Frodo. ;)

        and I agree it could be quite rad in certain environments. probably cool in the summer too.
  • Re: Natural barriers

    Sat, March 8, 2008 - 2:36 PM
    My neighbor let his backyard go almost completely to blackberries. It was pretty cool.
    They grew up over themselves in layers for a few years, and this had the effect of making them a pretty tall , thick hedge. Last year he tried cutting them down, but they are rebounding pretty quickly.
    I was imagining cutting a pathway and a small clearing in the center of the brambles if I were him.

    I've thought about trying to find a thicket on our local creek and then cutting a path into it to create a space that would only be accessible and visible from the creek itself.
    It would be a lot of work, but it's kind of fun to think about.
    • Re: Natural barriers

      Sat, March 8, 2008 - 9:32 PM
      trim a pathway, install a culvert so you don't have to worry about maintaining an opening, and just let the brambles grow back around it. Who in their right mind is going to crawl up some obscure culvert that opens up into a creek? you'd be the only one who knows it's not a dry drain pipe. then you can build your clubhouse in the clearing at the back and make smores and tell scary stories to your friends...
      • Re: Natural barriers

        Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:00 AM
        "Well, at least he'll have plenty of places to park his bicycle"
        you kwack me up thousand that was really funny to imagine.

        you all sound like the first two piggies. the wolf if on the prowl and you want to live in a rabbit hole. why dont you just live in a refrigerator and make it easy for me.

        you need to be the third piggie, live in a house of brick and stone. blackberries dont stop bullets. if you are prepared, sooner or later the people that are starving or did not prepare will come to you for your stuff. you need to be able to shutter up and withstand smart fast zombies. things will escape from the zoo, prisons will be left unattended, panic will ensue. and somewhere in there will be a guy like me, one who waits for the inconvenience of law to evaporate. your homes need to be hardened
        • Re: Natural barriers

          Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:31 AM
          Point taken, Mitch.
          That was funny about living in a refridgerator.
          I was getting away from thinking about maintaining the perimeter and considering actually doing something like this now, before the world ends, just for the hell of it. It would be cool to have a private place to go in the city in the heat of summer, right by a creek.
          So, it's maybe drifting off topic a little.
          I like that idea about the culvert/sewer pipe entrance.
        • Re: Natural barriers

          Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:42 AM
          I thought this thread was pretty clear that using the natural surroundings for defense was just PART of one's home protection plan. Which would by very definition imply there are OTHER elements used as well. These may be guns or barricades or shielding or rabid dogs. Whatever.


          I got this crazy interpretation from the very first post:
          "Plants and terrain as part of your home protection system"

          but then again, basic literacy isn't a strong point for everyone. ;)
          • Re: Natural barriers

            Sun, March 9, 2008 - 3:43 PM
            NO ms dyno-mite... the idea here is to plant some thorn bushes, and live in them as your only means of defense. Get rid of your guns and your brick-and-stone defenses, we don't take kindly to the third piggie around here.
        • Re: Natural barriers

          Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:49 AM
          I know this area around my place better than anybody else. If your hiding and watching my house I know where your doing it from. If I hear a gun shot off in the distance I know where it came from by the way it echo's through the hill's. When you get close enough to see my place, I'll be there waiting for you with my skinning blade.
          • Re: Natural barriers

            Sun, March 9, 2008 - 3:51 PM
            I always thought... I mean, if you're REALLY anticipating the big bad wolf, a wise idea would be to find, or create, the perfect strategic places for an offensive position against your home.... create or find all the places that are so perfect to stage an offense from, that an attacker would be stupid to try any other attempt. Then, get rid of any others. Trim the grass, clear out the trees.

            Then, plant hard-wired explosives in the ground at each one, scratch a line and bury the wires leading back to a wired switch board in your home. It would be like playing battleship. "Sorry mitch, I just sunk your submarine"

            You could run the wires and have the switchboard any time you like between now and then. Let the grass grow back over the ditch scratches. Leave the wire leads under a rock...some going out to the far side of any 'cover' sized trees, one leading out to the lee side of the broken down tractor, another to the far side of the hay bales. Then, when TSHTF, go out and place your party favors, hook em up and hide them well. Send Mitch an invitation card.

            Oh yes... and don't forget to put one behind the thorn bushes. We must remember to incorporate natural barriers into our defenses.
            • Re: Natural barriers

              Sun, March 9, 2008 - 7:30 PM
              ok i got yall beat as i live on my sailboat in the harbour, the best moat ever is the open sea! 10 minutes away at any time i am aboard and it has sails so no energy needed to move, i got some floating rope that will take out any prop so no worries about pirates mater harrrrrrrrr!
              • Re: Natural barriers

                Sun, March 9, 2008 - 7:30 PM
                that was supposed to read matey must be the rum harrrrrr
                • Re: Natural barriers

                  Mon, March 10, 2008 - 2:26 PM
                  Mater? Wasn't that the name of the tow truck in Cars? Git 'r done Rick :)


                  I guess the barriers you enact would depend largely on the situation, the nature of the EOW. It's hard to argue with stone and brick walls, but in some situations you may actually want to clear the brush around your place like back in Nam. They would clear the foliage so the sappers would have no place to hide.

                  A note on sappers; although Mitch may seem like a whacko, keep in mind he has likely studied this crap more than any of the illiterate zipperheads who worked successfully as sappers in VN. Sappers were eerily patient, they would take all night to crawl into your area. They did not have to be rocket scientists, just extremely patient and committed to killing you.

                  My fallback shelter is in the sticks. Sitting down in a valley, it is perfect for avoiding a nuculear or meteorite blast (unless it is a direct hit) and along a minor highway so traffic would be lighter. The ranch sits in the middle of a fenced area, with field fencing cutting up the lots into smaller and smaller areas. Anyone trying to come at us will have to stand and climb over the fence. That'll set off the ten dogs, which'll in turn set off the armed guards (my dad has even more weapons than I do!)

                  See, out there we are used to watching for illegals. They wander by all the time, so we keep an eye out. If Mitch wanted to come out to the ranch, he'd have to park miles and miles away because we would hear the vehicle and see the dust trail. See, country people are extra sensitive to sounds. In the country you can hear a car before it is audible, you actually feel it.

                  So there's Mitch, low-crawling like a sapper through catclaw, cactus, mesquite, and palo verde...ouch! Finally when he gets close to the house, he spooks the rabbits that live on the edge of the yard, the ones too fast for the dogs to catch. The rabbits in turn spook the dogs, who alert us. We wait until dark, switch on the night vision gear and snipe you as you creep through the brush.

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