the world has ended, a big plague has killed 9 out of ten families, you are the only family left on your block. you have food, you are buttoned up in your house at night, and me and my friend come. how do you detect me if there is no electricity to run your alarm or lights?
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Mitch
  • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

    Sun, March 2, 2008 - 7:13 AM
    We have a pack dog's in the yard. They'll sound off if you get within 100 yard's of the house. Then you have a dragunov and a romanian AK to deal with If you make it through the trap's I've set.. We dont depend on electricity for survival, it's just a comfort for us, and we wont all be buttoned up in the house at the same time. For the sake of your own safety and survival you better bypass my road.
    • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

      Sun, March 2, 2008 - 3:30 PM
      Our freaky dog would alert on you so fast, then would come the 7.62x39 rounds zipping through the walls and the furniture and the pictures and you and the windows. Then I'd get my solar dehydrator and some Alegro Hickory marinade and make jerky outta yer ass (for the freaky dog, of course.)

      If you catch us at our fallback shelter, well, that'd go even worse.
      • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

        Sun, March 2, 2008 - 9:00 PM
        Sorry Adam, I poisoned your dog the night before with anti-freeze. Being glycol based (essentially sugar water) cats and dogs are known to lick it off of their fur and paws when it gets on them. Since it only takes about a tablespoon, the freaky dog was easily taken care of. You and yours are now extinct.

        Brent, I was able to take all of your dogs with my scoped crossbow at a range of 65 yards in the dark. I was just finishing up the last one, the one that always likes to hang out under the porch near the house, when you got wise to what I was doing. Upon seeing you on alert, I faded back into the darkness that is my friend and will try again at about 4am when you will have dozed off.

        Now what are your next moves?
        • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

          Mon, March 3, 2008 - 11:54 AM
          this is kinda funny. let me have a crack at it.... This should be fun for both of us.

          Layer one: deadbolts with mushroom-head offset pins in the lock so you can't pick it. (I also know a thing or two about picking... and I know you could break a window, or shoot through a lock or kick a door in, but that would pretty well alert me, eh?)


          Layer two: I work in security, I've been a technician for several years. My house has redundant sensors in every area. Heat AND motion-sensetive sensors, glass-break sensors, and open/close sensors on every door, and every moving panel of every window. I also have smoke detectors as well as carbon monoxide/air contaminant sensors. They are all wireless, so you can't cut any hardlines. They are tamper sensetive, so if you move them, smash them, shoot them, open them, or by any other means 'deactivate' them when I have not permitted it, a warning will show up on my main panel, either saying a 'tamper' was attempted, or that a sensor has lost communication with the panel, telling me what has happened and where it has happened. This system, being wireless, runs on lithium batteries that last 3-5 years. I have enough batteries for 15 years.

          Layer Three: lots of guns. I also have ballistic armor if you wanna play with me.


          I don't have a dog, and I don't have peripheral cameras. Provided that this old world holds together for another couple of years, I'm sure I'll have both for you to contend with, and off-grid power.

          Alright.... Have at it, Mitch.
          • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

            Mon, March 3, 2008 - 2:48 PM
            And then he will "ass-rape" your corpse with a stick of TNT, Mitch...
            • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

              Tue, March 4, 2008 - 7:25 AM
              haha no. There will be no more violence against anyone's ass. I'm genuinely interested to see what Mitch can put together, *if* he can find an exploitable chink in the armor.
              • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                Tue, March 4, 2008 - 4:24 PM
                who the hell stays in the city eow? only cool man ice wannabees. so tell me mr cool how will you get me in my sailboat halfway to hawaii or new zeland? what a neo-maxi-zundweebi
                • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                  Tue, March 4, 2008 - 6:12 PM
                  Actually Mitch, having treated dozens of pets for glycol consumption, my wife would spot your poisoning attempt right away. While she treated the dog with an everclear IV, I would be busy locating the poison site and tracking you from there.

                  Knowing that this was not an accidental poisoning, I'd be waiting for you when you came. By the 2nd day we would have pulled out and headed for our fallback shelter and you'd be visiting an empty house.

                  But if you came to the fallback shelter, bring kevlar.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                    Tue, March 4, 2008 - 6:18 PM
                    Well here's my thing... IF mitch is a smart guy, this might be a useful thread for some. For example, Adam, I'm not really comfortable with making myself an ass and a badguy, trying to punch holes in your defense armor, but mitch is fine with the idea. It could be helpful. For example: if you have an exploitable weakness, it's good to have an imaginative person to point that out to you... Once again, *IF* mitch is a smart guy.

                    I'm trying out the idea that mitch's 'troll' front is a way of providing some useful contrasted input to our preparations... I may be overestimating him.... he might just be an asshole with no brain and an inverted penis.

                    Or maybe it's Chad, returned to the tribe and converted to the dark side after his unexplained disappearance.

                    Chad-Vader.
                    • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                      Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:23 AM
                      Sorry Adam on the loss of your dog. Because he was hungry, and the glycol so sweet, he/she ate far more than the leathal dose of a tablespoon and died from crystals forming in the liver.

                      You were indeed alert when I came back the following night, though groggy from staying up all night and gathering by day. I observed you with NVS gear and saw that this was not the best time. Instead I slashed the tires on all of your vehicles to keep you from going anywhere (and to heighten the emergency, you cannot live on adreneline forever and the crisis will only make the crash all the harder.)

                      Thousand: Your camera and alarm systems failed the day after the power grid failed. Some of your gear works on batteries, but the main panel is either 12v or 24v and would require a generator. If you were running one, it only served to attract my attention. A little sugar in the tank fixed it right up. Your locks would slow me down from anything but a general assault, so I begin studying your habits; when you forage, how many people in the dwelling, what sort of weapons you posess. I learn more every day.
                      • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                        Wed, March 5, 2008 - 10:43 AM
                        I deactivate the system by day or when the perimeter is being guarded, charging the backup battery with a solar panel AND a dyno that I do have. The backup battery is 9v DC and lasts 48 hours for the main panel. I have several spares on hand as well. The system will be fully functional every night for the next fifteen years.... but you don't know this, you'll go ahead thinking the system is deactivated.

                        You make the mistaken assumption that I will be gathering tomatoes and rigging up squirrel traps all day long, oblivious to the world around me while you stalk me from the eye of a scope five hundred yards away.... This is an incorrect assumption, and will likely get you spotted, or some sign of your lurking noticed. Any time someone is outside, there will be a spotter scanning the area for danger. Footprints in the yard that I don't recognize, or in my abandoned neighbor's yard, a curtain or window changed in the neighborhood, the glint of your equipment in a dark area, any careless mistake (and unless you can walk on water, it's only a matter of time before a human error occurs) Once that happens, and it may just be the first time you mistakenly walk into the field of one of my motion detectors which you THINK is not active.... I will know you are there, and from that point on, it would be in your better interest to find easier prey, before you become the hunted one.

                        eh? eh? Answer that and stay fashionable! haha
                      • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                        Thu, March 6, 2008 - 7:32 AM
                        mitch you'd never within 500 yds of my place others are guarding the compound me i'm out past the wire waiting for fools like you and you wouldn't know i was there until my blade slit your throat
                        the best defense is a good offense

                        think like the aggressors/bandits
                        low tech sensors trip flares tin cans lots of traps and wire lots of it
                        but somehow i think you'd be one of the first to go your over confidant
                        in a millitary situation if you were assigned to my command i'd put you on permant latrine duty becouse i'm sure in the feild you would be a liability and get some good men killed
        • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

          Wed, March 5, 2008 - 10:20 PM
          No need to use the crossbow. My dog's are so damn loud you might as well use a gun. There are 5 people in my house hold, 4 that know how to shoot, at least 1 on guard all the time. all it take's is one bark and a few second's later your in one hell of a cross fire. Then there's my neighbor that dont take kindly to your type that would be delighted to join in the fight along with his family that all know how to shoot. Plus you forgot about the trap's. Set one off and I'll just roll over and go back to sleep cause your dog meat. Dont worry Mitch. If the shit hit's the fan I'll use the last few minute's of electricity to e-mail you direction's to my house. I'l love to have a cool ice hide nailed on the barn wall next to the deer hide's. So if that's not you in the pic then go get the tattoo's. I don't want to be dissappointed.
          • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

            Wed, March 5, 2008 - 10:30 PM
            'Stay fashionable'......................That's the only part I heard.....................but......I can do hides........and horses.........and..........................heifers.
            • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

              Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:12 AM
              Brent: You are indeed correct, you and yorn did fire off a number of rounds in my direction. I resisted the urge to return fire as it would have given away my location. The volume of gunfire made me decide to come back later, much later. There are easier victims out there. Your guard will be down in a month or two, and as you exhaust your local supplies you will have to forage farther and farther from home base. PS: Your neighbors are dead, died from the plague.

              Thousand: That is indeed a very nice system you have employed. Are the sensors PIR or AIR? I too work with such devices and can fool a PIR with a sheet of cardboard.

              Keiter: Just because I said I wanted to come to your house and kill the menfork, and make sex slaves of the women (just the pretty ones) is no reason to get upset.
              Your post showed a lot of emotion, something that needs to be controlled as it allowed you to make your first and most fatal mistake about me. I'll give you a hint (for those of you that have not figured it out based on the disparity of previous posts:

              Q: What do Abbot & Costello, the Hillside strangler, and the DC sniper all have in common?
              • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:33 AM
                A: none of them had awesome 'ice man' tattoos all over their hides.
                • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

                  Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:39 AM
                  My sensors are passive.... otherwise the batteries wouldn't last five years. However, they're not just heat-differential monitors, as are most motion detectors these days. These are also motion sensetive. ANY light differential, like a cardboard slat moving along with an ice man blocking his heat signature behind it, would trip it off. Except obviously in cases of complete darkness. Keep in mind, I still have breach sensors on every opening of the house, and glass-break sensors mounted in every room. And the air-contaminant sensors, so you can't gas me out. wireless, so I wouldn't care if you set off the EMP bomb you keep next to your array of G3's in the garage next to your decommissioned MIG fighter.
        • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

          Wed, March 12, 2008 - 12:26 PM
          If I found my dogs dead I would be on full alert I can and have gone a week without sleep. I would actually leave everyone else in the house and make it look normal. Then I would set up 200 - 500 yards away with the night scoped .300 Win Mag. Then I would gut shoot you and your friend for killing my dogs with .30 calibre glazer safety slugs. Then I would take you still breathing but bound to the White River and put you on the bank were the feral pigs come for water. I'd tell you what was in store for you so that you would beg me to kill you. Then when I left I would hear you strugle against your bindings if only to help you bleed out before the pigs got to you.
        • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

          Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:20 AM
          I keyed on the dog idea just like others right off the bat...but as for the poison idea think inside dog and walking them on a leash....you won't get the opportunity...as for the 65 yards thing....a dog is going to know a stranger is around when you get within a 1/4 mile. You ever walk down a dark country road at night....them dogs know somethings afoot quick. And as for the fade...better keep checking your six....I get alerted to a possible threat to my family ...I'm gonna find out what's what. I'm not saying I'm Rambo....but
  • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:56 AM
    My question is why would you come to my houes ? you would have to pass houndreds of thousdands of houses to get to mine?
    • Re: what do you do when i come to your house?

      Sat, March 8, 2008 - 1:56 PM
      if that fool tried to swim to my boat i would catch him like a fish and make a cool man ice handbag to trade for goods.
      • Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

        Sun, March 9, 2008 - 10:51 AM
        So, the first 30 days of EOW have passed. Mitch and his sidekick have sacked 34 occupied homes*, and had to retreat 3 times at homes of survivalists who were prepared for EOW. We have ammassed a stockpile of weapons, liquor, cars, and a large harem. We even got a new underground fortress we found in the downtown section, complete with long term power. Life is good. It's easier to find survivors in the city, we just have to watch the grocery stores and the levee.

        I have Mongo swing past the survivalist's houses every now and a again and shoot a dog or two, just checking up on you. We have been working on acquiring heavy weapons left behind in storage. So far it appears that no one else has tried to access them since the world ended. That is good for me.




        *for those of you just tuning in, this is a fictional scenario proposed by Mitch. No actual serial killers were used int he making of this thread.
        • Re: Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

          Sun, March 9, 2008 - 11:54 AM
          Your getting smart now mitch. A bunker in town is where you'll be safe.
          • Re: Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

            Sun, March 9, 2008 - 4:04 PM
            30 days have passes since EOW.... A Thousand Good Intentions has already been working on and contacting via solar-powered HAM radio, shortwave, and exploration, six other bands of survivalists. We have radio frequencies that we monitor at specific times, altering frequencies on different days and during transmission sessions, and have worked out an encoded means of communicating. We have established some trade, have created a union of defense and share each other's logistical and medical burdens. Ever since Adam's dogs were poisoned, and Brent's dogs were severely annoyed and one of them shot with a crossbow, we have been on the alert. We have been tracking Mungo and Mitch's routes of travel and harassment, their habits, and the frequency of their visits. We have already triangulated a basic area of Mitch's operations, and are beginning to take cautious steps into his territory, in search of his lair. Having a harem to logistically support, and also using loud machinery to liberate and test heavy equipment he has found in storages, We do not think this will be a difficult task. Once we find Mitch's makeshift kingdom, it's going to be an easy 'Bonnie and Clyde' style cleanup stakeout, next time Mitch decides to come out and harass one of our dogs.
            • Re: Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

              Sun, March 9, 2008 - 9:14 PM
              40 days later. I return from the desert, and throw a party to try to cheer people up. Who comes? What kind of bootleg, bathtub moonshine do you bring? Do you try to attack our party? Do you bring steak?
              • Re: Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

                Mon, March 10, 2008 - 12:36 AM
                us biker ,hippie, ptsd vets ,backwoods farmers sneak in with mungos tanned hide to help the hut for ice man {to us an ice man is a meth dealer one of the worst of the dregs lower than a child molester} we hunt down and snipe his people slowly, we love mind fucking the prey. to the party we bring the fresh steak and venison also some great smoke, and the music
                • Re: Update on Mitch's progress, EOW + 30 days

                  Mon, March 10, 2008 - 2:09 PM
                  ATGI; what a great post! You have organized and are taking the fight back to Mitch and his gay sidekick. Picking up from there....

                  I get the radio call from one of ATGI's contacts, they know where Mitch is, they have sighted him coming and going from a specific part of town three days in a row. They were going to kill him but they still need to know where he calls home. Why?

                  Well, if the guy is running a private prison for hot chicks, and we whack him, who is gonna let those nice ladies out? So I get the call to go to the big city, find Mitch and his lair, and cap the fuk.

                  Upon arriving, it becomes obvious there are a few people left in the city. Without the streetsweepers the streets have a light layer of dust and dirt building up on them. In some places there is trash strewn across the road, where it has tire tracks you can guess that someone has driven.

                  Under cover of darkness I set up on a rooftop of a mid-sized building to watch for Mitch. Not knowing what he looks like I wind up watching for 2 days, during that time I see the same four guys coming and going from a group of motel rooms. I can see where they have reversed the locks on the doors, and covered up the windows on some rooms, probably to keep the occupants in custody. I'm not 100% sure these are the same guys until I see them bring home a fresh trophy. When they all go into different rooms to play, I leave my perch and creep in closer where I have a better shot and cover. I call for other survivalists to secure the surrounding areas.

                  So you're surrounded Mitch. What'dya do now?