Is it my imagination or am I hearing rumor's of food shortages and nation wide famine? If so I don't understand why. Just a reminder that a 20x20 garden plot can make alot of potato's and tomato's. Do you guy's have one planted? I know Chuck does. Even if your renting you might get by with having a few heavy egg laying chicken's.
Does anybody have any info on the food shortage rumor?
Does anybody have any info on the food shortage rumor?
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:15 PMI dont know, did you read the link on the other tribe?
I have a garden, I play around with it, grow mostly salad greens and the like. I have chickens and just got some ducks. I have rabbits, too.
Here in the Ozarks if you have a fishing pole and a 22 you ain't goin' hungry unless you are lazy
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:26 PMOver on Backyard Garden Survivalist there is a link to a news paper article about some stores are limiting rice, flour, and cooking oil.
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:47 PMThere's a link posted on back yard garden survivalist about food rationing on the west coast and northeast. There's another link on the yahoo group preparedsurvivalistunite2 that talk's about the food running out by the third quarter of this year and the lowest grain reserves since 1946.
I think the rationing of grain in california and the northeast might be due to the flooding that has had the barges shut down for about a month now. most grain is moved up the mississippi and missouri river then trucked on to the destination. The railroad and truck's probably cant keep up with the demand. -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 8:17 PMYeah, this famine is going to hit us, especially come this fall.
PACK YOUR RICE!
nysun.com/news/food-rat...adbasket-world
The famine is already dropping the bomb on other governments hardcore... and the chain reaction of a planetary-interdependent commerce is spreading like dominoes
www.canada.com/components/print.aspx
If you pay attention to the trend, you will see the collapsing dominoes, trickling our direction... Like a few thousand freight trains coming from the distance....
www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8492403.php
PACK YOUR RICE. ITZ COMING.... -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:46 AMBrent, do you raise rabbits? I have 3 does and a buck and they are capable of producing more meat than me and the kids can eat. I figured out one time that they cost me about 3 or 4 cents a pound to produce. With bulk feeders and a bulk watering system I only have to tend to them once a week.
My neighbor made an interesting point yesterday, that if they start rationing wheat and flour, that animal feed will follow shortly. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:55 AMNo I don't have any rabbit's. I think you can get alot more from chicken's nutritionally. I like rabbit meat but I alway's hear about that rabbit starvation thing if you don't eat the gut's and brains too. I'm not much on that unless Oscar meyer processess it for me. lol You can get alot of egg's from a chicken till you decide to eat the chicken. They are fast multiplier's too. In the summer you can let them loose to forage bug's, tick's. And just feed some corn in the winter.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:16 AMActually chickens and rabbits are real close protein wise but the rabbit wins in lower cholesteral. That starving to death on a rabbit is an old wives tale. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:40 AMThere may be a difference in the home raised rabbit's compared to wild rabbit's. Just looking at domesticated rabbit's, they look like they have more fat than the average wild cotton tail. Probably cause theyre fed better. I think it's fat rabbit's lack to make a sqare meal, is what I've heard and you can die from protein poisoning or something like that. I'm sure if you ate other food along with the rabbit meat It would be fine. Are you sure that rabbit starvation is just a wives tale? I've alway's heard that if you just eat rabbit and only rabbit that's it's not good. I don't know. My dad grew up eating rabbit meat about every day but with with vegtable's and corn bread and bean's.
When I was a kid I would shoot rabbit's off the combine when my grandpa was cutting soy bean's. The way my grandma cooked them in all that flower and grease then smothered in gravey. I'm sure it didnt lack anything. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:42 PMRabbits are also the most resilient mamal vs. gamma radiation. I had no idea you could get that kind of low-cost-per-pound yield, Mike! ...this might be kind of hard to put a number to, but how many pounds of meat do you think your brood will yield over a given ammount of time? I mean, how much rabbit do you and your kids eat? -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:50 AMI was wondering the same thing, Mike. I personally like rabbit but the wife won't touch it. Something about them being "too cute"... Maybe I should sneak some into the fried chicken and see if she notices... -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:46 PMI have New Zealands they are a meat breed. I just bread my does for the first time of the year. I will get 18 to 24 babies out of them. Then I will butcher at about 4-5 lbs live weight. That will yield about 30 lbs of delicious white meat for less than 50 lbs of feed. feed is costing me about .14 per pound. that comes to about 4.4 cents a pound. I use the stuff just about anywhere you would use chicken. I even par boil it run it thru the meat grinder and make hamburger helper out of it. Same thing with taco meat. stew whatever your taste buds desire. I will start to feed them alot more hay now that summer is here. Plus I give them alot of trimmings out of my garden.
They are one part of my food storage plan, my kids have been raised on the stuff, although my oldest daughter does like to be around when I am butchering them. -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 1:31 AMLooks like I learned how to educate kids about sustainable farming and gardening just in time... Anyone want to help? I'll work on the coastal hispanic kids if you work on the inland crackers... -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 1:33 AMHere's a pretty damned cool website: www.selfsufficientish.com/
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:15 AMMore discourse:
forums.armageddononline.org/fami....html
Apparently, my fat ass may be a GOOD thing. :) -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:50 AMI like what that guy said about "letting people chow down on their golf courses" lol I alway's thought golf courses were a waste of good cattle graze.
A fat ass can be a good thing. Have you ever seen a girl with a fat ass try to swim underwater? Their ass keep's popping up. Definatley something you want to grab onto during a flash flood. lol -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:50 AMI think any diet that was pure protein would come up lacking. I raise chickens too. You do get eggs and meat out of them, I wouldn't be without them, plus chicken manure balances my compost really well.
We have two Elk in the freezer and part of of a deer. I know a woman around here thats the only meat she and her kids ever eat. Venison and rabbit, a few chickens thrown in. They take 6 or 7 deer a year. She does all her own butchering
Has any one thought about how fast the wild animal population is going to go down in an EOW situation?
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:02 PMYep, we've had several debate's on the food game population in a eow situation. I figure everybody with a gun will be in the wood's looking for something to eat.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 1:24 PMI read that article about the rice and actually been following that one a bit more. Seems there have been some crop failures in the indo-china area, Vietnam is no longer exporting anything but the very finest quality, and India is in the same boat. We eat a lot of rice so I have also seen the price rise. Hell, even fairly unbalanced news local in SD had a story last night about a 66% rise in flour prices over the last 3 months...
A garden is a very good idea for everyone. You will save money on produce, probably get much higher quality product, satisfaction from growing it, and some insulation from the cost of living. Mine is doing pretty well right now except for 2 beds that my free range wiener dog got into...
I was thinking about a bag or two of whole wheat, but have no gristmill, anybody have suggestions for an improvised gristmill that will work without 'lectricity? -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 1:59 PMI guess you could do like the indian's. find a rock shaped like a bowl then find a rock that fit's in the bowl fairly well then grind it.
You can probably find some hand crank grinder's somewhere with a hopper on top and a bowl underneath. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:17 PMI googled "hand cranked grain grinder's" and all kind's of site's popped up. I have a manual meat grinder that I've never used. I'm going to check out some of the manual grain grinder's for making chicken feed. I planted more corn today than I ever have. Not sweet corn but the feed corn. Some hybrid and non-hybrid. My plan is to build a wire cage type room in the barn to store the ears in and not pick them till their real dry. And use a manual grinder that will grind up the cob and all. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:29 PMI priced a gristmill a while back and it was very expensive for one that makes good flour. There are quite a few out there, but the cheaper ones don't rate very well. Guess i need to get out in the country on weekends to find an "antique"... -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:44 PMI've been looking at some of the larger cast iron manual grinder's. Theyre around 300 buck's. They look like they will last though.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:17 PMI have a tiny second story deck that is heavily planted with herbs, tomatoes, bush cucumbers, peas, turnips, radishes, and strawberries. I grew millet from cheap birdseed last year in small pots, it grew quickly and could be grown in successive crops. I don't have room for chickens, but I figured that I could use my old rabbit cages to raise very small broods of quail in a pinch. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:11 PMIt is interesting to see this post now. I just recently went to a Hunger Forum that was a panel discussion and presentation. A professor from University of Vermont talked about the current food crisis and gave us an interesting perspective. There is enough food, it is just not distributed well. Poverty is the culprit here not food shortage. We produce so much corn in the US every year trying to get the value down to 0 so Big Ag can cash in on government subsidies that it has been dumped in the ocean. You guys rock for taking the food matter into your own hands.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:34 PMWelcome to the group Becky!! We're all a little mean to each other now and then but we're still friend's. lol Hang in there.
Glad to see your interested in farming and being self sufficient.
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