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topic posted Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:06 PM by  A Thousand G...
I just got a new pet. I picked him up for free at one of my customer's homes the other day, they had a litter and were getting rid of them. As it turns out, this guy is a great EOW sidekick and I reccommend one for any survivalist. It's a potbelly pig!

He's housetrained, affectionate, clean, and cute. great at foraging, he can sniff out a bag of food under two feet of dirt. He's alert to danger at all times, AND as a final perk, I'm sure he would taste really good if the food storage ran out! hehehe....

right now he's only about thirty pounds of pork and the rough 'stature size' of a twelve pound dog, but he'll add on over time, and his expiration date isn't for another fifteen years or so. No more are the days of outdoor livestock, just waiting for looters or poachers to come when I'm sleeping or not available to protect what's mine. My christmas ham takes naps safely by the fireplace...

now the question is, what do I name my little friendly slab of bacon? hahaha
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    Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:14 PM
    May I suggest the name "Bacon". Might be a good way to remind yourself of his place in the big picture when he's being cute ;-)
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    Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:24 PM
    pork chop, porky, ham bone, clyde, fatso, snort, capitalist is good. I think pig's have the right to make as much money as they can in a free society in their search for liberty and happiness. What was that pig's name in "charlattes web" ? george, copper, curly, ted kennedy. guess that's about all I can think of.
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      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:07 PM
      I don't know about pot bellied pigs (they don't get very big) but pigs are a good animal to grow because of their food to weight gain ratio. For every 3 pounds of food you feed a pig they gain 1 pount. Cattle are a 5-1 ratio.

      Another good animal to keep around is chickens. Most likely poultry were the first food-animals domesticated. They are easy to keep, provide eggs almost daily, and one chicken is the perfect size for a family dinner. No meat storage to worry about, and they'll eat just about anything (including lizards.)
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        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:13 PM
        As an old country boy, may I second that. Chickens, depending on the breed, are the ultimate survivors. Pick a breed that is hardy and resistant to many poultry diseases. These breeds might give you a smaller egg and smaller fowls, but in the end they will save you a bundle in special feed and antibiotics. Also, if you've never had a truly fresh egg, once you do, you won't go back to the store for anything else.
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          Mon, October 15, 2007 - 2:16 PM
          kangaroos are great. put in a few hard weeks carrying them around when they're small, and they'll always come to you after that. you can let them go and they'll find their own forage on any country, but still come around to see you. then one day when you need meat it's just "come on boy" and smack on the head with a waddi (club) and then you got meat.
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            Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:08 AM
            We had a hog growing up and we named her Kate. She got to be 450 pounds and my dad took her in to the slaughter house. Damn fine! We had pork chops, sausage, and bacon for a year. I've never had kangaroo...
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              Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:18 AM
              Back in the early 70s I was living in L.A. on a tight budget and so almost every day had lunch (tacos, burritos) at a chain called Jack-in-the-Box, which we reffered to as "Junk-in-the-Box" due to the common perception of the overall quality of their menu. One day we discovered ALL locations closed. Turns out they were importing kangaroo and passing it off as beef. Within a week or so they were open again. I never could tell the difference in taste or testure - in its ground and spiced state.
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                Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:56 AM
                I remember living in Sacramento area in the early 90's and Jerk in the Box shut down the whole franchise once again....Apparently a mother had stopped off for a quick snack for her two boys, they got some hamburgers on their way home from school.... both brothers, age ten and seven, died of food poisoning from bad meat.

                Those Jack in the Box bastards... always trying to save a buck on their damn ground beef. I still see those stores now and then. And I still can't bring myself to eat there.
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                  Tue, October 16, 2007 - 10:04 AM
                  I was in southern Utah for my highschool years. We had a small hobby-farm, raised our own beef and pork and lamb among many other foods. And I gotta say...the difference between homegrown meat and store-bought is like the difference between thanksgiving dinner and a microwave tv dinner. I'll eat steaks seared, they're so much better when grain-fed and given tons of green grass. they loved the grass clippings from the lawn-mower especially. but they also had over an acre of lush field to themselves, just one or two cows and some sheep. In the long run it's cheaper... I think our beef, including feed price and water and initial purchase...comes out to about $1.47 per pound...regardless of cut. And it tastes better than the most expensive you could buy.
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                    Wed, October 17, 2007 - 7:36 PM
                    Well what did you end up naming the pig?
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                    Wed, October 17, 2007 - 8:07 PM
                    Well what did you end up naming the pig?
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                    Wed, October 17, 2007 - 11:05 PM
                    i spent a couple of years semi self-sufficient. that was the best time of my life.
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                      Thu, October 18, 2007 - 8:53 PM
                      I could be self sufficient but I'm not. I still like little debbie snack cake's and tv dinner's and microwave popcorn and coca cola and sliced bread and getting a gallon of milk without having to handle a cow's tit. We have 2 freezer's full of beef but I mostly just like selling the cow's for money. What I'm worried about is coffee! if eow happen's, where in the hell am I going to get coffee? I like to stand out on the porch in the morning and drink coffee! I'm going to be in a hell of a foul mood. Paige, quick, I need a lesson on growing coffee bean's. And to get back on topic now, What did you name that damn pig thousand? I can't take the suspense anymore. This is worse than when I didnt know who shot J.R.
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                        Thu, October 18, 2007 - 9:09 PM
                        My wife calls him Wilbur... I call him ''piece of shit pig.''

                        AHEM.... I'd like to make an announcement at this point:

                        I no longer think pigs are good pets and I retract all statements made otherwise. My pig used to be awesome... and cuddly...and a good pet. he would come up to me while I was typing on this very laptop...and stick his head on my knee, and I'd scratch his ears. Then one day, he started humping my leg...so I bopped him on the nose and he squealed and ran away...but he came back and started humping my leg again.... this time a bop on the nose wasn't enough. I shoved him down and yelled at him. he came back. I swept a foot under his back legs, and flipped him onto his back...he freaked out, screamed as he fell, and shook it off and came back to my leg. we did this song-and-dance of throwing him around for several more times...until I realized that no matter how hard I hit him, or picked him up and threw him, or yelled at him and kicked him....he kept getting back up and coming at my leg with all the more energy...it was kind of scary, actually. I threw him into the hallway, and shut the door...he started rooting at the door and tearing around trying to get to me..it was like a scene from jurassic park.

                        For two days I left him locked in the extra room...because he was still crazy... one night I heard him grunting and snorting and shoving the furniture around all night. it drove me mad but at this point I was disgusted with the sick creature and vowed not to give him any attention for his pouting and restlesness. The next morning, he was still making all the same racket. I opened his door....

                        He was having sex with my office chair. There whole front edge of the chair was.... well, it would take some rubber gloves and strong cleaner to ever get that 'stuff' off of there. not to mention the carpet all around the chair makes Monica Lewinski's dress look spot-free.

                        I got rid of the disgusting short-circuited pig creature. I spent a whole day cleaning up. I dont' dare subject my spare room to a blacklight test... I'm sure it would look quite colorful, very 'techno-rave' theme. I need a carpet cleaning machine..badly.

                        So yea...Piece-of-Shit-Pig is gone. I took him back to the people who sold him to me and I'm sure he's impregnated their sofa by now and they'll be selling mutated polyester potbelly grunting armchairs in a few more months.

                        Stay away from indoor livestock.
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                          Thu, October 18, 2007 - 10:16 PM
                          HAAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!! That remind's me of that king of the hill episode, when that dolphin sexually asaulted Hank. Maybe you should try a cocker spaniel next time. a neutered one.
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                            Thu, October 18, 2007 - 11:59 PM
                            we've got enough feral pigs here not to worry about raising them. if you don't mind risking your life catching them, that is. if you're careful you can get them with a crow bar and a knife. fitness helps. i'm getting too fat now. once i was tracking a big one who'd been digging up turtle eggs, and i was concentrating so much on the tracks i didn't see when i came right up on him. big as a lion. i had to run into the sea to get away. and the sea was full of stingrays - hundreds of them. so i just speared a stingray for breakfast instead.

                            i saw a pig hunters' magazine once, and it was the worst thing i'd ever seen. the worst part was the readers' wives section. oh my god. really clapped out slags with bad tattoos posing in bikinis, draped over the bloody carcasses of boars. put me off pigs and women both for a good month. put me off rednecks for good...

                            as for coffee, i used to grow a couple of arabica bushes - too nice. nothing like drinking your own coffee.
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                              Fri, October 19, 2007 - 9:22 AM
                              I don't drink alcohol or coffee.... I guess that gives me a leg-up in the post apocaliptic beverage department.

                              that's pretty sick about the pig hunter magazine. Kind of makes you wonder about rednecks that associate pig carcasses with scantily clad women..... Reminds me of that famous line from 'Deliverance'
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                                Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:40 PM
                                I started drinking coffee when I was exercising race horses. The racing season in arkansas start's in january and the track is open for training between 6 and 10 A.M. When you top that hill to the track before daylight with a wind chill of 15 degree's, and it's a wet cold there, by the time you gallup a horse 2 mile's and get back to the barn it's plum miserable. Jumping off a horse with frozen feet is pure torture. I would take about a 15 minute break between ride's standing in the tack room next to one of those old pallet heater's with my freezing hand's wrapped around that hot coffee cup. Coffee became a cure-all for me at a young age.
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                                Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:06 AM
                                OK no coffee or alcohol for you Thousand but what are you gonna do for Jello?
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                                  Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:28 AM
                                  Atually the thing we're all gonna miss is EOW ever happens is Salt and Pepper and other spices. There is a reason pepper corns were worth many hundreds of times their weight in gold in the Middle Ages.
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                              Fri, October 19, 2007 - 10:05 AM
                              "i saw a pig hunters' magazine once, and it was the worst thing i'd ever seen. the worst part was the readers' wives section. oh my god. really clapped out slags with bad tattoos posing in bikinis, draped over the bloody carcasses of boars. put me off pigs and women both for a good month. put me off rednecks for good... "

                              Hahahahahahahahaha... did the pictures have captions so you could distinguish the wives from the pigs?
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                              Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:29 PM
                              I know alot of red neck's. From where I grew up and where I live now. All the hunter's I know have respect for the game they kill and I don't know of anyone that would get their jollies seeing their wife laying on a stack of dead hog's. I think if a red neck crosses the line of freakiness with a pile of dead pig's they are then categorized as a "Neo-Kink"
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                                Fri, October 19, 2007 - 5:26 PM
                                i think the pigs were the ones with belly-button rings and circa-1980's sunglasses. but i can't be sure.

                                "All the hunter's I know have respect for the game they kill ".

                                well, those fellas don't fit with my definition of redneck. rednecks are the ones who hate and kill arbitrarily. in america the definition seems to be based on class and geographical location. but here in australia it's more of an ethos that transcends class. here we've got rednecks at highest levels of government.

                                i think these kinds of people are protected and propped up by the system in this country. eow, that system gone, i don't think our rednecks will last long.

                                i think in that situation the vast interior of australia will be abandoned by everybody but the indigenous populations, as the non-indigenous people are only there to strip resources to prop up the economy. once the economy is gone, they'll seek the coastline, where 95 percent of the rest of australia is already huddled. they can fight it out there as long as they like. me, i'll be inland, freshwater country, putting things back how they were.
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                                  Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:41 AM
                                  Somehow the term redneck has become a derogatory one. Rednecks are just simple country folk. Not all rednecks are klan members, not all rednecks pick fights with tourists or carry a 30-06 in their pickup truck.
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                                    Sun, October 21, 2007 - 12:40 PM
                                    to be fair, a good majority of the rednecks where I grew up, carried their hunting guns on a rack in the back window of their pickups... hehe

                                    But I have come to the conclusion, that whether mainstream likes it or not, hicks and rednecks are the most all-american subculture in our whole country. There is more patriotism in that group by far, and more like-minded mentality to the original framers. Their influences and music is stricktly american, their culture is one borne on the frontier, not one transplanted or mixed from europe. Cowboys, Rednecks, and Hicks. If you want to know what a true all-the-way-through american looks like, they are your answer, for good or bad.
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                                      Sun, October 21, 2007 - 4:46 PM
                                      Yes, well, regardless of sub-culture, a lot of that "all-American" patriotism also comes with an inability to find fault with America. I'd argue that there really isn't such a thing as a "true" American, only popular majority. Trace family lines back far enough, and we all came from somewhere else... so am I less American than the next guy because my family is multi-cultural and has only been here for 2 generations instead of 20?

                                      Having lived across the South-- Missouri, Alabama, and Georgia, for a the better part of 2 decades, I've seen my fair share of the "all-American" mentality... it strikes me as nothing more than a rejection of anything other than the status quo, not a righteous upholding of some time-honored tradition of excellence. To be fair, most of the "rednecks" I know are good people, but those "good ol' boys" in politics who portray themselves as "one of them" and tug on the patriotism heart-strings are just as dirty and conniving as anyone else.
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                                        Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:08 PM
                                        Remember when John Kerry tried that last minute effort to fit in with the good ole boy's "is this where I get me a hunt'n license." wearing that carhart coat. Before th 60's was the all american country. Then a bunch of dope head hippy idiot's started seperating the population into different group's and trying to keep shit stirred up between them. they call this the liberal movement.
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                                    Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:02 PM
                                    You get a red neck from the sun burn you get driving the tractor all day. That's where the original name started. Since the growing hatred from the anti-god, anti-gun, pro-gay, pro-abortion, animal right's crowd the farmer's rancher's and christian's and hunter's are the enemy now. The new definition for red neck is a "gun tote'n, flag waving, bible thumping, bush voter" They believe the red neck's are the ones blocking their disgusting agenda's, and they are probably right. They think Jerry Fahlwell or Rush Limbaugh is a bigger threat to the country than Osama Bin Laden. The libtard's get their jollie's doing thing's to offend people with traditional value's and they call us the hater's. I'll pack a rifle in my truck or go to church or kill a deer if I want too. Like Bocephus say's, "if they aint into that, I dont give a damn" I'm tired of the Hillary gang trying to destroy the tradition's of the heart land and beleive you me, I'm at the ballot box when the poll's open. Sorry about the political rant.
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                                      Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:28 PM
                                      Don't apologize for the rant, I think it's perfectly justified. Only problem is that voting doesn't do any good. The whole point is to polarize everyone into two camps on every issue. Kind of like saying, "What's for dinner?", and they tell you the only acceptable answers are chicken or beef.

                                      I think Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh, and Osama Bin Laden are *all* dangerous because they're all after the same thing-- your support. That's what makes politics so dangerous... they erase the line between supporting your ideals and supporting their agendas. Here's a great example: if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists. Our illustrious leader was so nice to narrow down our choices like that, but he must have forgotten to mention that Bin Laden has been on the CIA's payroll for decades. Gosh, what if these politicians themselves might be involved in some shady business with these guys which has gone bad, and now they're using our troops as personal debt collectors? Noooo, thinking such thoughts would siding with the terrorists because it questions the moral integrity of those in charge!
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                                        Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:44 PM
                                        ''Trace family lines back far enough, and we all came from somewhere else... so am I less American than the next guy because my family is multi-cultural and has only been here for 2 generations instead of 20? ''


                                        YES!!!! you're a lesser breed of import. Counterfeit american. I trace my lineage back to the mayflower! USA! USA! USA!
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                                          Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:46 PM
                                          Thousand... so I guess that means you're exponentially more to blame for the state of this country, right? I mean, if your family has been here so long, it's logical to assume that they've had some hand in fucking everything up, yes? :-)
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                                        Mon, October 22, 2007 - 8:40 AM
                                        Chad I don't see how you can lump Hitlery, Obama and Rush together. Hitlery and Obama are politicians and Rush is a radio talk show host. All you have to do if you don't like Rush is not listen. The other two are more problematic.
                                        The first two want power to mold the World into their image of what it should be. They seek that power through political means. Saying whatever they are told or feel they must to win approval and the votes of sheeple.
                                        Rush believes(maybe rightly so) that he already has the power to change the World into how it thinks it should be. He does this merely by saying what he thinks(not what a poll tells him to think) in a witty and funny way. Entertainingly but slowly changing minds.
                                        If you don't vote you're part of the problem not part of the solution. I used to think that is we could get behind a third party and really get a grassroots movement to support sat, The Constitution Party (just to pick one at random) starting small at first but get them elected to city government, then state, then House then the Senate and more and more of them. It would shake things up. Now I think we need to send a message and start a write in vote drive for "None Of The Above" Think how that would make them feel if they through an eletion and NOBODY won. We would be saying "We're tired of having to vote for the lesser of two evils. So if you offer us that we'll just say "No Thanks" and vote "None Of The Above."
                                        However, I still feel you have more to worry about with the Left than the Right. Look around the world and almost all the tyrannical states are Socialst or Communist. I don't believe Extreme Right Wing totalitarian regimes can ever come to power because the World has seen Fascisms horror and Beat it down once and are on gaurd against it. Part of the reason the Left is so powerful around the world. And while I'mon my soap box.....
                                        And if I hear one more person equate American Christians on the Right just trying to keep their religious freedom compared to the Islamofascist Terrorists I may just smack them with a freshly caught Wabash River Carp.
                                        Christians try to convert the nonbeliever by "telling them the Good News or The Gospel" If you listen and then say,"No Thanks." They'll leave you alone for a time and then tell you again.and probably again. In other words the worst they will do is pester you. This is how Muslims seek toi convert. On an individual basis they invite to dinner and they are a gracious and generous host. Not until the end of the evening to they ask you if you know anything about Islam. Then they "correct" you mistakes and give Islam a glowing report card. Then they thank you for coming. They stay in touch with you and appear to be trying hard to become your friend. The secoind time they invite you over, they ask if you have any problems you need help with and then they make every effort to help you and tell you that is it the Way of Islam to be of aid to those in need and they pitch Islam to you again. They will then spend seemoingly casual time with you, having coffee and talking of many things, but always they will bring up Islam in usually, but not always, subtle ways. The third time they invite you over they will ask you flat out if you's like to become a follower of Islam. If you refuse they will keep up the social facade for a few more weeks asking you a total of three times outright if you wish to become a follower. If you refuse the third time they will shun you. They will ignore you in every way. But come the Jihad in Amewrica you will be the forst person they come see. By the way it is because the Muslim has the Jihad that Medievel Christain had their Crusades. The worst you can expect from Islam is Conversion by the sword.
                                        And Just so everyone is included.........From what I've seen and experienced, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews leave others alone and ask to be left alone. Except in Asian where Buddhists kill Christian Missionaries out of what they precieve as cultural defense. Athiests just take municipalities to court to stop religious displays or just go quietly along not bothering anyone. Actually the quiet ones are mostly more accurately agnostics not true atheists.
                                        Well I guess I've stirred the pot enough.
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                                          Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:11 PM
                                          I think it was Osama, not Obama, we were talking about, but either way... you can't see how I can lump them together because you're still thinking in terms of the classical politics, but the paradigm has shifted. Maybe 10-15 years ago I'd make a distinction, but these days politics is the media, and media is politics. The real power in this country is controlling information and dictating how people should think and feel. Listen closely to what is being said on the news these days-- when Rumsfeld gets behind a podium and makes a claim, Fox news turns around and parrots the EXACT same thing-- there's no fact-checking done, no investigative journalism... just a report of the "official version" with no measurement of validity or accuracy.

                                          So, while Rush Limbaugh may not make or enforce policy, he's spreading the same unverified information as anyone else. Any opinion he has is based on the facts and figures provided to him by the people he is supporting. That's called being a cheerleader.

                                          In the business world, we call this marketing. If Steve Ballmer gets on stage, he's going to tell you that Windows Vista is the best piece of software in the history of forever. Obviously, there's no REAL quantitative or qualitative facts to support this claim, it's just biased hype to get you excited about what they're selling.

                                          In the same vein, politicians are products. People who support them are marketing that image, preying on issues X, Y, and Z to sell it. Are you afraid of guns? Buy Hillary Clinton™ and we'll make those fears go away! Are your Christian sensibilities under attack by those scary gays? Get Gay-B-Gone, a product of Republicans, Inc.! Remember when Al Gore went from being a dull vice-president with little to no face time, and then suddenly he was back as an out-spoken presidential candidate? Then, when he lost, he comes back AGAIN as the champion of the environment, vigorously concerned about global warming? That's called re-branding. New and improved flavor! Now with half the fat!

                                          Now, I'm not saying there aren't legitimate issues out there that need to be addressed... Christianity is constantly under attack, being blamed for a lot of things with which it isn't even related. I myself am I devout Christian, but how does my faith in Jesus relate to tax cuts for corporations? The answer is, it doesn't... but when you're buying a product that promises to protect family values, it's easy to not notice that same product is also signing legislation like The Patriot Act which includes lots of fun and exciting clauses about wire-tapping without warrants.

                                          The bottom line here is this: politicians do not give a fuck about you, your family, your religion, or your well-being. They are products designed to compete for power and they will try to make that sale using any means within their grasp. If they can prey on your fear, they'll do it. If they can prey on your morality, they'll do it. If they can prey on your love of nachos, they'll do it.

                                          At the end of the day, though, what's the age-old truth about promises made by politicians? They never keep them.
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                                      Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:41 PM
                                      and not all country folk or rednecks are into the neo-cons brand of "conservatism" which it ain't by a long stretch.

                                      I'm personally, gun tote'n, flag waving, bible thumping as long as I can thump some other religious material as well, but I woudn't be voting for Bush again even if I could. And I don't think much of Jerry Fahlwell telling me how I should be a Christian or Rush Limbaugh telling me how I should be a conservative. Not saying I like Hillary, and yes, I if I had Osama in my sights, his noggin would be a red mist faster than you can say Al Queda, but I don't like anyone telling me how I think about such and such. Do I have to hate gay people in order to conservative? Or Christian? I'm not in favor of abortion, except perhaps in extreme situations such as rape, and the key word being perhaps, but do I have to be in favor of making that decision for everyone else in order to be a conservative?

                                      I understand that that is not exactly what you are saying - you are decrying political correctedness on the left/liberal side of the house - and there is no doubt that they are indeed, extreme fascists about it. But, so are "conservatives." We've really come to this place in America "yur either on my side or theirs" It's not possible to hold any divergent viewpoints without somebody getting pissed off. Well, I think that's a load of horse-pucky, and if anything is gonna kill this country - that's gonna do it.

                                      The free marketplace of ideas, where we can appreciate each other and learn from each other - that's the beauty of this country, and that's what I wanna fight for.
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                                        Sun, October 21, 2007 - 5:44 PM
                                        cruzzin, some nice lads in white coats will be by shortly to up your medication. That should fix all those nasty logical thoughts in your head from escaping again. ;-)